Drew Droege has done a lot of things ā heās hosted podcasts; written for Netflixās Big Mouth and Funny or Dieās Billy on the Street (to name a few); acted in countless shorts, films and television shows, including 2018ās Heathers TV reboot; and is responsible for your favourite ChloĆ« Sevigny impersonation videos. But his latest work is his most personal.
For the last few years, heās starred on-and-off in Bright Colours and Bold Patterns, an acclaimed Off-Broadway one-man show directed by David Horn and Michael Urie, which performed to sold-out crowds in both Los Angeles and New York, and was captured live for the screen in 2018. Also written by Droege, the show takes a head-on look at the ugliness of internalised homophobia. Droege plays Gerry, a gay man spurred to be furiously flamboyant after receiving an invitation to a Palm Springs gay wedding that discourages guests from wearing bright colours and bold patterns.
A solo performance, the whole play rests on Droegeās ability to sustain the manic, cutting, riotous, and heart-rending performance. Itās an impressive feat, and itās no surprise that BroadwayHDās recording of the play was the Centrepiece film at the 2019 Melbourne Queer Film Festival, a festival brimming with the jubilant energy of a country still fairly new to same-sex marriage.
On his first visit to Melbourne Australia, Ivana Brehas spoke with Drew about queer culture, artistic vulnerability, and being a big, loud, gay mess
Ivana Brehas: Youāve been in Melbourne for a few days now ā have you had a glimpse of the queer scene? Whatās your impression of it?
Drew Droege: I ā sadly ā have not gone to any gay bars since Iāve been here. I canāt believe that. Maybe Iāll try to go to one tonight, ācause I leave in the morning! I wish I could speak on that, ācause Iāve heard that itās pretty amazing and wonderful. But I have a friend who lives here who showed me around, and obviously, Iāve been to six or seven films since Iāve been here. It feels very progressive; very open-minded; very live-and-let-live, which I love. It doesnāt feel aggressive at all. Coming from the United States⦠[laughs] itās just really nice to come to a much more chill vibe where everyoneās interested in diversity within the queer community. It doesnāt feel very fragmented. Sometimes in the States, it can feel very segregated ā not only between gays and lesbians and trans people, but just within the gay male culture. Iāve found the people here to be really intelligent. After my screening the other night, people had really interesting observations and questions for me. So itās very stimulating here, and it doesnāt feel pretentious or stuffy at all.
IB: Thatās really nice to hear. The reason I ask is, itās really cool to get to discuss this show with you from an Australian perspective. We only got the āyesā vote ā to legalise same-sex marriage ā in November 2017. Like, itās been a year and four months. So the things that you were talking about in Bright Colors and Bold Patterns still feel very fresh. Weāre still adjusting to that ānew normalā.
DD: Yeah. I started this in 2013, when it was legalised in the United States, as sort of a reaction to that. Itās been interesting in the United States. When I first put it up there was some resistance to it, ācause everyone was very excited about marriage equality happening ā which I loved as well, and I understood people going, āWait, wait, wait, letās not immediately criticise it.ā Then in 2015, 2016, the show was really taking off, and people were really responding to it ā and then we had our election from hell, and we got scared again, about our human rights and visibility. But I think itās really important to not lose nuance and lose discussion within the community. I certainly donāt have any answers, but I wanted to create a discussion. I donāt think itās a black-and-white issue. I mean, big picture, of course Iām very pro-marriage equality, and thrilled that itās available. I think kids are gonna look back on this time and not believe that it was ever not available, you know? I think theyāre gonna be like, āThat was the weirdest thing in the world.
IB: But itās that tension between whatās liberation and whatās assimilation. There were all these stereotypes and ideas perpetuated for years about queer people, that we are all one way ā flamboyant, and wearing bright colours and bold patterns ā and activists had to rally against that and say, āNo, weāre not that.ā But now weāre having to re-examine that and question, āWhy is that necessarily wrong?ā We shouldnāt feel ashamed if we do fit those stereotypes.
DD: Exactly. So much in the play is about being by us and for us. Itās my comment to other queer people, like, āLetās celebrate our otherness, and our different-ness, and our diversity, and not feel like we have to straight-wash ourselves in order to fit in.ā Because the straight people that I know and love ā and I know and love many of them ā they donāt want us to do that either. I wanted to call attention to that, and remind us that we have a lot of work to do, and a lot of love to give ourselves and each other. And space, as well. Weāve told ourselves all our lives, āWeāre not going to fit in,ā and so we have walls up, and when we see other people being fabulous around us, or acting a certain way, we sort of bristle at that
IB: Thereās a point in the show where your character is talking about assimilation and normalisation, and you say āYay?ā with this upward inflection, like a question mark. I think that one word alone really captures how a lot of us are feeling at this moment in queer history. Like, corporations are realising that itās profitable now to support us ā yay?
DD: Right. Like, this is good, but letās be careful, and letās be vigilant, and letās not forget where we come from with all of that. So, literally āyayā, with a period, and also literally āyayā with a question mark
IB: So the show itself started out from a real invite that you got, that said not to wear bright colours and bold patterns to a wedding?
DD: Yes. I got an invite to my friendās wedding in Palm Springs ā a heterosexual couple ā and they asked the guests not to wear bright colours or bold patterns. My friend, who I love to death, is just a control freak. She wanted really lovely, muted desert tones for her wedding, but I saw that on the invite, and it just struck me as such a title. It inspired me immediately. And as I was driving down to Palm Springs, I started thinking about these gay plays that I love, where itās a bunch of gay men in a house together, having a wonderful, horrible, everything-in-between time ā like Boys in the Band, or Love! Valour! Compassion!, or many others ā and I wanted to write something that was in the vein of how my friends and I talk to each other, and whatās going on in our generation. My generationās younger than those plays, but weāre also older, and weāre seeing the new generation come up behind us, so I was curious about that.
I started thinking about what that phrase meant, āNo bright colours or bold patterns.ā And then gay marriage became legalised, and I realised, this is the play ā itās about what we are doing to ourselves. āCause I certainly didnāt feel, and I donāt feel, like my straight friends are telling us to be less bold and less bright. They love it. Straight people love Drag Race. You know, we do a live drag Golden Girls show in L.A. twice a year and itās mostly straight people coming to that. And they crave that. They love it. I didnāt want some angry play about how straight people have held me down. Itās obviously a valid perspective for a lot of people, but I was just more interested in our own community. I created a character who was sort of my dream role ā a big, loud, gay mess ā ācause we donāt see that portrayed in our culture nearly enough. We have too many personality-free gay heroes, I think, in a lot of our entertainment spheres.
Iād thought about doing a play first, and then I just had the idea of, āWhat if heās talking to people that arenāt there?ā He forces you to look at him. If Iād cast people on stage with me, you would be looking at the hot guy in the Speedo. You would be looking towards the more quote-unquote ānormalā gay guys, or the more successful, or the less obnoxious gay guy, and the character I was playing would be the sidekick. The clown. So I was like, āWhat if you have to only look at him, you have to see where heās coming from, the whole time?ā We rarely want to see that in our culture, or in ourselves. And I think itās very much in ourselves. It always cracks me up after screenings when people come up to me and go, āOh my God, that characterās me, Iām so that guy,ā or, āI know that guy.ā But also, I love that character. I mean, I think heās a mess, but heās a human being, and heās masking a lot of pain, and I think heās funny but he doesnāt know the line. He doesnāt know when to shut up, or when to take care of other peopleās feelings, or his own feelings. He just knows how to show up and hold court.
IB: I loved the decision to make it a solo show with you talking to these invisible characters. I had that thought, too ā āIf the other characters were here, you wouldnāt really notice Gerryās loneliness and defense mechanisms. He would just be this funny sidekick.ā It kind of reminds me those YouTube videos where they edit the laugh tracks out of sitcoms, and itās this weird, uncanny⦠like, Friends without a laugh track. Thereās this absence that makes everything a bit sad or suddenly bleak.
DD: Oh, I love that. Thatās so interesting. Yeah. Thatās something I thought was really strong in the way that BroadwayHD captured the show ā they wanted very much for it to feel like you were in the theatre that night watching the show, and they didnāt want to sweeten it and make it feel like a sitcom. I had a producer that really wanted to add a lot of laughter in places where I maybe didnāt get a laugh, and Iām so glad that BroadwayHD insisted on not adding any laughter. The laughter thatās in the film is just what I got. I mean, I love that observation that you have. I donāt know that Iāve heard that before. And I think thatās from watching this transfer to screen. Having performed it so many times, when first I watched it by myself, my first thought was, āOh my God, this isnāt getting any laughs,ā because when I do it on stage, the room feels a lot more alive, and it does feel a lot more like a comedy show, until he drops out and gets serious for the second half. But I think thatās really interesting, ācause you have to kind of be there with him.
If they had added laughs, it would have felt like a sitcom a comedy special, not a play. When I first did the play, it was maybe 45 or 50 minutes long, and I rattled through ā I donāt think I took any breaths. It took a couple years of doing the show, but now itās like 85 minutes, and I didnāt add major dialogue in that. I just added a lot of breathing and listening. And drinking and cocaine use. [laughs] But yeah, I was able to trust being there with him, as opposed to just rattling out words, words, words.
IB: Itās got a really great balance of comedy and poignancy at the same time. To what extent are you drawing from life to create these things?
DD: The Sunday school teacher named Mrs. Raper who called me a āthespianā ā thatās all real, that all happened to me. You know, I can laugh at that now, because she wasnāt calling me a thespian; she wasnāt calling me an actor; she was, you know, gay-bashing me in church as a child ācause I was acting out. But she saw something in me that I hated for a long time, that I learned to love, and I thought that needed to be somewhere in the show. The other three characters are amalgamations of people that Iāve known all my life, and my relationships with them. Iāve also never really been in a long-term relationship, and Iāve been really interested in the why of that. And I go through long periods where Iām proud of that, and I really enjoy it ā itās not like I sit around and mope. I really do enjoy being single ā and I feel like, so does Gerry. But then you have moments where you wonder, why? And what is that about?
I know a lot of it is from choices that Iāve made, or from sort of blurring the lines. I think thereās a thing in gay culture where we blur the lines with friends a lot of the time. We are very flirty with each other; we get very intimate with each other. Especially when youāre coming of age, you find that other gay person and you attach everything to them. I have fallen in love with a lot of my best friends, and I realise now, like, āOh, God, that would have been a horrible relationship, had we done that.ā But I definitely attach a lot of romantic feelings to friends that Iāve had over the years, because you find this closeness. And then when youāre used to being the one that makes everyone laugh, no one really understands that you might have feelings; that you might be hurt. You might be the one that is the life of the party, and then everyone at the end of the night pairs off and goes to bed together, and youāre the one that goes home alone, and everyone just thinks, āOh, heāll be fine.ā So I was curious and exploring that side of myself.
Iām very fortunate that Iāve got to do a lot of acting work, but itās almost always comedic stuff. I usually get hired to play really loud, angry, brash, terrible gay people ā which I love, and Iāll happily do that for the rest of my life. But I wanted to explore levels in that, and play things that Iād never be cast in, unless I wrote it myself. I was also coming off my notoriety from my ChloĆ« Sevigny YouTube videos, and I didnāt want to do that forever. I didnāt want to be a drag queen, mainly ācause Iām not a real drag queen. Iām always very touched when people really like the ChloĆ« Sevigny thing, but I felt like it was limiting on some level, and I didnāt want to just be the guy who was doing that for the rest of my life. I wanted something else that would expand me creatively, both comedically and dramatically.
IB: Iām writing a play at the moment with a friend of mine, and weāre drawing on very personal things ā our journal entries; our issues with intimacy and relationships. In terms of writing something that is a lot more personal than the things youāve had the opportunity to do before ā and starring in it, too ā how did you negotiate those boundaries of challenging yourself and putting yourself out there, but also protecting your mental health; honouring your privacy and what is too much for you?
DD: It is really hard. I think thatās such a great question, and I donāt even know if I have an answer to that, because I totally understand what youāre saying. Iāve done two podcasts that over the years, and especially the last one that I did⦠you know, Iām very naked online with stories about myself, and when I hung out with my friend who lives in Melbourne on Friday, he was bringing up all these details about my life, ācause he listened to my podcast ā stuff that I havenāt even told him in confidence. I was like, āOh, yeah, Iāve told that to anyone who would listen.ā Iāve been very open about so many things in my life. And I grew up in a world, in the South, where it was like, āYou donāt tell anyone your business.ā My momās still like, āDo not tell anyone our family drama.ā
Iāve never gotten, like, professional therapy, and I feel like my podcast and my work is sort of my therapy, where I can work out some things. I feel like the more honest you are, the more people relate to you and go, āOh my God, thatās me too,ā ā and then you feel okay, because you feel connected. You feel less alien. Weāve all gone through so many similar experiences, with different details. Weāre all a lot more alike than we are different. So the truer the experience is, the more it resonates with people. And for me, it really helps. When I would do my podcast, Iād ask guests to talk about something that theyāve never talked about before. It was called Minor Revelations, and itās like, it can be really tiny, but people brought some pretty incredible things to the table. And there were days when I would show up in the worst mood, but after an hour of us all talking, I remember leaving feeling so much lighter; so much more connected to them. I ended up hugging so many of my friends that came in ā it became way more like an Oprah show than a comedy show. I usually had funny people on there, but you realise it comes from a real place of not only pain and sadness, but just humanity and real things.
For me, I know Iām a crazy-person magnet. I attract a lot of crazy people in my life, and the way I process it is, I end up putting them on stage in one way or another, or I put on a wig and play them. So I think it is really important, when youāre writing, to not worry about what would be funny, or what would be the most interesting thing ā just focus on the most honest thing. Thatāll never do you wrong. And it is terrifying to get up and say these things.
I was so scared when I was doing Bright Colors for the first time to just get up there and deal with these things. Some of my friends were characters that I put up on stage, and I was so nervous that they were seeing, maybe, a version of themselves up there. When my family came, I mean⦠thereās things that Iāve never told them that theyāre having to watch. But it always ended up really great. All my fear was so much greater than the reality of watching it. People watched it and were like, āOh, yeah, me too. I agree. Who cares? Big deal,ā in a way that was very liberating. The world didnāt stop. People didnāt reject me in that way. Instead, they embraced me even more, the more honest I was.
IB: Thatās really beautiful! So whatās next for you ā what are you working on?
DD: Iām in the middle of doing a play right now in L.A., and then Iām writing a new solo show. I donāt even know what it is yet. Itās so messy right now, but Iām flipping the idea. Instead of doing one character talking to multiple people, Iām going to be playing multiple characters talking to one person. But I donāt want to be doing, like, an SNL audition, where Iām doing a million different types of characters ā Iām going to do a night of gay men who are different sizes and shapes and ages.
Michael Urie, who directed Bright Colors on stage, talked in an interview about coming out as an actor, and how he was advised not to when he was doing Ugly Betty. And he said, āI have to. I have to come out.ā Heās been out for quite some time, and he said the only reason he has a career is because he came out. He said, āIāve played so many different kinds of gay men. I donāt feel like Iāve ever played the same gay man.ā And, especially if you only know him from Ugly Betty, heās nothing like that character. I was inspired by that. There is so much diversity in us, and also within that there are common threads, that we can draw from. We can see ourselves in, maybe, a 70-year-old man, or a 24-year-old. So Iām exploring that right now.
IB: That sounds so fun. Have you heard of The Butch Monologues?
DD: No, I have not.
IB: It reminds me of what youāre talking about. I saw it a few months ago here in Australia. Someone went and interviewed a bunch of butch lesbians and recorded them, and made it into a play.
DD: Wow, I would love to check that out. Iām really interested in that; thatās sort of the space that Iām in right now. Like I said, Iām very resistant to doing solo shows where they feel kind of masturbatory, like, āLook at all the things I can do.ā I really am interested in us as a community. I think The Butch Monologues sounds great; Iāll definitely check that out. I wonder what its history is like in the States.
IB: Hopefully youāll be able to see it; I thought it was awesome. Are you watching anything interesting at the moment? Do you have any recommendations?
DD: I just saw this film ā I donāt know if youāve gotten it over here yet, but itās SebastiĆ”n Lelioās remake of his own film, Gloria Bell, starring Julianne Moore. Heās Chilean, and he did a version of it in 2013, and theyāve remade it ā of course, they had to do an American remake with a movie star. But Julianne Moore⦠sheās maybe my favourite actor. Iām obsessed with her. Itās one of the greatest things Iāve seen in a long time, and it really affected me. Itās a very small film, and a lot of peopleās reactions have been a little minor to it, because itās not a movie where a million things happen. But itās a beautiful exploration of what itās like to be single, what itās like to find and lose love, and find and lose yourself. And itās one of the most interesting characters Iāve seen on screen in years. I was gobsmacked by it. I think itās just fantastic. I was like, āI want to meet this filmmaker and shake his hand and be like, āI get you, and I feel like you get me,āā which is always exciting when you see work like that.
Broadway HDās recording of Bright Colours and Bold Patterns screened as part of the 2019 Melbourne Queer Film Festival.
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Ivana Brehas (a.k.a. Joaquin Shenix) is a writer and filmmaker living in Naarm (Melbourne). She has written for Dazed, Much Ado About Cinema, The Big Issue, 4:3 and more. She is currently completing her MA in Creative Writing, Publishing and Editing at the University of Melbourne. Contact her at www.ivanabrehas.com.


